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June 18, 2012 11:15 pm

James didn't come to Miami to play with Howard or Nash. The main reason he came to Miami is to play with Wade. Trade Wade and watch James opt out and leave Miami in 2 years. Then you would be left with Nash who is about to retired and Dwight Howard.....BRILLIANT

Good point there!
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June 18, 2012 11:15 pm

"i dont think we lose this year.   there our a big differences between our 2-1 lead this year and last year.    most importantly, game 4 and 5 in miami not on the road.   and we are facing much younger team.   dirk/kidd/terry all had suffer championship losses and were extremely hungry.  maybe more than miami.   this year all that is reversed.  plus we never won two in a row last year.  i think we will win this..  but OKC is to good to count out just yet.  

but if Heat raise a banner and then turn around and trade Wade/Bosh, you would have a fan revolt on your hands."



I agree with everything you said here up until the last line.


Fans here love Wade, no doubt, however during the Pacers series when he was awful, fans would have made the deal without blinking an eye.


My formula isn't the same as breaking up the champion Marlins in order to save payroll. 


Look at it this way. If the league was starting from scratch and there was a draft. 2 of the first 3 players picked would be James/Howard.

   


            
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June 18, 2012 11:19 pm

"I prefer Nash,Wade,James, and Bosh instead of Nash, James, and Howard."


You are leaving off Anderson. One of the deadliest shooters in the league, but that Ok.


Anyway, your scenario will probably be what we see and that is for sure championship quality, but my opinion is we are better with Howard then Wade being though we already have James.


We will have to agree to disagree.  
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June 18, 2012 11:22 pm

. "Trade Wade and watch James opt out and leave Miami in 2 years. "

WITHOUT question, James would have to be on board. 


Don't forget, James was willing to stay in Cleveland if Bosh would have agreed to go there, so it isn't all about Wade, it is about winning.    
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June 18, 2012 11:24 pm

"James didn't come to Miami to play with Howard or Nash. "


Isn;t it amazing how you can actually have basketball conversation here, agree or disagree while keeping at an adult level if you simply ignore Mamba?  
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June 18, 2012 11:29 pm

Fans here love Wade, no doubt, however during the Pacers series when he was awful, fans would have made the deal without blinking an eye.
He was awful for one game. His shooting was bad in games 1 and 2 but he still played aggressive and did other things. Game 3 he was bad at everything. Then in games 4,5, and 6 he looked like the old D-Wade. Only stupid fans would've made that deal due to one poor game by D-Wade in the Pacers series.
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June 18, 2012 11:42 pm

youre talking about nash like he isnt going to come to miami if we dont offer him money.   nash is coming this offseason.  he wants a title, and we are the only contender he can start for.
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June 19, 2012 12:30 am

Then in games 4,5, and 6 he looked like the old D-Wade. Only stupid fans would've made that deal due to one poor game by D-Wade in the Pacers series.


Wade has been having his up and down moments.. but when he's on he gives us the best chance of winning... wade and lebron will be the jordan and pippen type combo.... it would be stupid to break does apart. 2 more games... Lets Go Heat!!!!
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June 19, 2012 8:54 am

Tuesday, game 4. Thunder need this one in a MAJOR way. let's NOT see Durantula get into early foul trouble again...


btw, Roger Clemens got off scott free? unreal...














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June 19, 2012 9:20 am


LBJ "is the most unselfish superstar in the league"

Except when he runs up his stats.  Also when Lebron defers in the clutch that is seen by most as choking, not being 'unselfish'.  It characterized his finals series last year...


Bosh is the definition of an All Star.
"That's why they're in the finals back to back? "
That, for the most part is becasue they have LeBron James . He is and will be the X factor, win or lose

Cavs were never in the finals B2B with James.  He needed help, he knew it, so he joined forces with Wade and Bosh.  He probably also wanted to get away from Mike Brown but Spo is a small improvement at best.  Most NBA coaches could not coach James.  If PJ had coached LBJ for his whole career, he'd have rings, the only question would be how many.





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June 19, 2012 9:28 am

btw, Roger Clemens got off scott free? unreal...

He's sure convicted in the court of public opinion. He's a slimeball on and off the field.

Still, the Rocket should be in the HOF along with Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Griffey, Arod, the whole lot of them.  It's not their fault that Selig allowed roids to be the level playing field.  Also, Pete Rose should be in the hall.  Put players in the hall for their accomplishments on the field. What a joke to keep some of the best all time players out.

At least MLB now has a credible record with PED testing.  Not so in the NBA, where PED usage is still the level playing field.  Why would Derrick Rose lie to SI?  Stern is so desperate for revenue he'll do damn near anything. 
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June 19, 2012 10:07 am

At least MLB now has a credible record with PED testing.  Not so in the NBA, where PED usage is still the level playing field.  Why would Derrick Rose lie to SI?  Stern is so desperate for revenue he'll do damn near anything. 

Both the NFL and NBA are running away from HGH testing! We all know why! Most of the stars are taking it to recover from injuries and increase endurance and stamina. Alot of pressure comes with that million dollar salary.
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June 19, 2012 10:10 am

Lets see what happens tonight! Thunder win and we have a series again. They lost and you can get the fat lady tuned up. Lets see if Durant can stay on the floor and if Harden decides to make a guest appearance. They must knock down their free throws in order to win.
The Black Mamba
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June 19, 2012 10:30 am

The NFL might be the most popular league in America. Major League Baseball might be the most historic. I’ve enjoyed my fair share of both, no question about it. But for my money, the most interesting league has to be the NBA.

For starters, basketball has an inherent advantage—there’s wall-to-wall action.

In a baseball game, the average amount of actual action is 14 minutes. The rest of it is pitchers spitting, batters grabbing nether regions and fielders standing around trying to not get bored (yes, I’m talking to you, Manny!)

Football is better, right? Nope. With all the time ticking off the clock, the average time left actually playing the game is 11 minutes.

In the NBA, though, you have 48 minutes of action. If the clock is ticking, the ball is in play. If you count the free throws, it’s actually more than that.

Additionally, the fact is that the NBA requires more athleticism than any other sport. The best of athletes in the NFL—the wider receivers and running backs, or the linebackers—aren’t on the same level as the NBA player. They may be stronger, but they aren’t more athletic. They don’t have the agility of the NBA players.

As far as the majors, we don’t even need to go there. On the athleticism scale, with “bowling” on one end of the spectrum and basketball on the other, baseball is closer to the bowling end than the basketball end. Certainly, it takes some amazing hand-eye coordination and as a skill, it is the hardest to learn, but in terms of athleticism, it’s a distant third between the three sports.

The actual game has always been better, but there are reasons that it has surpassed the other sports in watchablitiy.

Furthermore, not only has it  surpassed the others because it has the most athleticism and the most action, but it is also the league which has benefited the most from HDTV. Certainly, the other sports benefit, too. Even cartoons look better in high definition. However, as sports go, nothing has the same boost as the NBA.

In part, that has as much to do with the wide screen as it does with the improved resolution. You’re able to take in more of the court and in a more natural way. You can foresee the play rather than just follow the play, the way it was before with the standard-definition, 4:3 TVs.

The larger screens and the higher resolution also plays into it. Formerly, the camera either had to zoom in to show you the nuances of the game—such as the ball—but now you can take in the details without losing the overall impact. The screens are larger, clearer and wider, and that has more of an impact on the NBA than the other leagues because the half court of the NBA lends itself nicely to the widescreen view.

Football fields and baseball diamonds are much larger, so you don’t get the same impact. You still get perhaps more detail and size, but you don’t have the same ability to follow a play from start to finish without changing cameras or angles. In football, you’ll see a quarterback throw the ball, then the camera zooms out, then you find the receiver and then it zooms in.

Certainly, that’s better than it was, but it’s still not as complete as in the NBA.

Next, the NBA has just been marketed brilliantly. More than the other sports, they’ve marketed their athletes. Yes, there are huge celebrity athletes in the other sports, but they aren’t on the same level as the NBA. They also don’t have the same persona as in the NBA.

The NBA has brilliantly marketed “heroes and villains.” On the one side, you have the likes of the young, humble, superstars in players like Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant. On the other side, you have LeBron James and the Miami Heat. In this sense, you could even argue that they borrowed a page from the WWE.

Now, the WWE script their winners and the NBA doesn’t (although some question that). At the same time, the basic marketing strategy the WWE uses is that you can’t just have heroes—you also need villains. The average fan right now has their favorite team and their second favorite team. Their second favorite team is whomever is playing the Miami Heat.

That’s why this year, the nation’s 16th-largest market, Miami, and the nation’s 45th-largest market, Oklahoma City, are according to Hoopsworld, helping the NBA to the best finals ratings since 2004. That this comes in a year which started off with everyone touting that no one cared during the strike is telling.

That’s an improvement over the yesteryear events of watching annual Lakers vs. Celtics finals. Certainly, those two teams have two of the largest audiences, but that was like cheering for Darth Vader or the Emperor for the rest of it. There was no Luke Skywalker.

Now we have a true villain that the haters love to hate, and an anit-LeBron in Kevin Durant. Regardless of whether everything is based in reality, the way it’s portrayed is irrelevant. Just like Rock and Brock, there’s an image that’s sold, and the fans eat it up.

The NBA is more interesting than the other sports. It is more visibly stimulating than the other national sports, and it’s more action-packed. That is magnified by the high-def age of TV. Then it’s all wrapped in a package that gives us heroes and villains, which gives us something to cheer for and a reason to stay interested after our own teams are gone.

Because of all of these things, the NBA right now is the most interesting league on TV. The NBA, more than ever, is where amazing happens

The Black Mamba
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June 19, 2012 10:50 am

wade's turnovers per game have decreased each year for four years straight.

wade is averaging 3.1 turnovers in playoffs, less than james.   james is better, but dont just  make things up about wade
I think the more accurate thing to say is that Wade turned the ball over a ton in the 4th quarter of game 3 and nearly cost Miami that game. He was a TO machine in that quarter, and Lebron bailed him out.

This is by far the best I've ever seen Lebron play in the clutch. No smart ass remarks, just gonna take my hat off to him.
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June 19, 2012 10:56 am

He's sure convicted in the court of public opinion. He's a slimeball on and off the field.

Agreed, but no surprise that he was acquitted. "Reasonable doubt" is easier for the defense in cases where the defendant has a ton of money and influence. But much like Barry Bonds I think most people believe that he's guilty as sin.
lakerdaddy34
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June 19, 2012 11:43 am

Because of all of these things, the NBA right now is the most interesting league on TV

It would be even better if Stern quit interfering.  Tonight, Scott Foster is back on the court.  A prima facie case for fixed calls.


One thing about baseball, there's no clock.  It's actually better at the stadium as opposed to TV when they rely on the camera behind home plate. Football is hard to watch at the stadium and is much better on TV.  Even at the stadium you have to watch the big screen to see the action sometimes, it all happens in a flash.

I agree though mamba, the NBA has the most going for it for fans.  If only Stern would leave well enough alone.

turds
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June 19, 2012 12:16 pm


I think the more accurate thing to say is that Wade turned the ball over a ton in the 4th quarter of game 3 and nearly cost Miami that game. He was a TO machine in that quarter, and Lebron bailed him out.

This is by far the best I've ever seen Lebron play in the clutch. No smart ass remarks, just gonna take my hat off to him.
now that statement i have no problem with.   wade was a turnover machine in the 4th.   it has gotten so bad the past two games (costly turnover in game 2 by wade led to that durant 3 that made the game way to close for my comfort), i honestly think that late in games lebron needs to be bringing the ball up for now.  maybe it's wades injury, or maybe sefalosa just gives him fits with his 6'7 frame and defense.   whatever the case, i think lebron needs to bring the ball up late in games.



   
Flauge
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June 19, 2012 12:19 pm

Still, the Rocket should be in the HOF along with Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Griffey, Arod, the whole lot of them
just not first ballot.  everyone knows the rocket did it.. guys usually dont have career years in their 40s, im not stupid.   but the government did a horrible job of proving their case.   my tax dollars at work.   smdh.


of the guys you listed the only one i think that may be clean is Griffey.   that guy had the same lanky build his whole career.   maybe im just being a little naive too.   guy was my favorite player in the league before south florida go a team.      



   
Flauge
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June 19, 2012 1:02 pm

of the guys you listed the only one i think that may be clean is Griffey.   that guy had the same lanky build his whole career.   maybe im just being a little naive too.   guy was my favorite player in the league before south florida go a team.  
And spent a ton of time on the DL, not a sign of a guy taking PED's. I agree that Griffey seems to have done it the right way.

However, I disagree with putting those other guys in the HOF unless the standards for getting in are changed entirely. Because if you let those guys in you are obligated to induct Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson. What those guys did to keep them out of the HOF is no worse than the steroid guys, imo. If you let some in, then all need to be in. Problem is, how do you quantify how much the steroids helped? Would Sosa have done anything HOF worthy without them? I think Bonds proved himself before the PED's showed up, winning multiple MVP's for the Pirates.
lakerdaddy34
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